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Yes You Can
Zax Fit on what studios are *actually* saying, instructors vs. owners, and performative choreo
Zack Schares is a fitness consultant and trainer who just embarked on a 38-city road trip tour of North American indoor cycling studios.
He is sharing his findings *exclusively* with all of you Yes You Can listeners on the common themes he heard while delivering soul-shaking classes and conducting workshops for instructors.
We talk about:
- When choreography becomes performative
- What communities *actually* want and need from a studio, instructor, and experience
- Conflict between instructors and studios - the individual vs. the group
- How to motivate authentically and respond in the moment to a class
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Welcome to the yes you Can podcast, a soft place to land for fit pros and aspiring entrepreneurs looking for a motivational cheerleader who's been through it all and believes your best. Life is about being brave and tapping into your magic. Hi, I'm Hannah Pratt, an online coach and vulnerability queen. I'm here ready to share my experiences through grief, life and finding my place on the podium to help you level up. So grab a latte and a notebook and get ready to be inspired through the yes you Can podcast. Hello friends, welcome to another episode of the yes you Can podcast. I'm leaving that in, I don't care. I'm really excited because today we have a guest, zach Shares. He's a repeat guest on the yes you Can podcast.
Speaker 1:We spoke almost a year ago today and talked about his journey as a boutique fitness studio consultant and trainer and somebody who offers certification for indoor cycling and has done that for many, many years, both in New York and Mexico and abroad. In the last year, he's embarked on a new type of journey and specifically his quote unquote world tour, where he visited 38 studios over the last few months via road trip, and so we talk about that experience, what he learned, what the through line was within the experience of these mostly studio owners, but also instructors, and how people were feeling about what's happening currently in the group fitness and fitness industry. Now, some of the things we talk about I know are probably going to ruffle some feathers. I know that because things I've said on social media have ruffled feathers in the past and I've seen a post that he recently did around around doing too much and are you really connecting to your community? That did ruffle some feathers down. That's not the worst thing I want to say right off the top. We have to be able to have conversations with people that we disagree with or perhaps have a different perspective, and be open to that perspective. With him, having just gone on this tour and spoken to so many fitness studio owners, I was really curious about the things that he was hearing and were they aligned with the things I was experiencing? Now, as somebody who teaches marketing, I know that social media is often embellished or amplified or completely falsified and actually just fake, and some of the things we talk about are things like reels, where there's a lot of choreography, and is that something that's actually happening in our studios? Is that something that writers and clients actually want?
Speaker 1:Now I teach a ton of classes and have for the last six years I coach folks within Instructor Magic and PS. Hello Round 11 folks. We are in the midst of Round 11 right now, in our second week, and if you want to jump into the six-week online course and international community, you still can. Link is in the show notes. So I hear from a lot of instructors about what they're concerned about, and rarely is it.
Speaker 1:My riders want more choreography and I don't know how to deliver it. What they usually want is more motivation. They're feeling like they can't connect through their coaching. They have lots of people who are brand new riders and then veterans. They're not growing their following. They don't experience consistently waitlisted classes. They want to do charitable events and they don't know how to step into this leadership role where they're bringing community together. Maybe their goals are to be a Lululemon ambassador and they want to work toward that. So I find it interesting that what we're seeing on social media is a lot of choreography and maybe that's not what is actually working to build classrooms or classes and wait lists inside our studios.
Speaker 1:That being said, I love creativity and I love seeing what other people are coming up with in terms of combinations, sequences. I love it because it's an expression of that creativity. It's like dancing. I feel like what we're facing right now as an industry is we have grown so much in rhythm cycling that now we're seeing these like almost sub genres of of what it means to be a rhythm indoor cycling instructor or client or somebody who takes those classes. Just like you would see the different disciplines within, whether you're an equestrian like me. We have dressage, we have jumping, we have hunter jumping and then show jumping, with all these different classes and things that people like to do within the overarching category of equestrian or just with, as I said, dancing, we might have jazz or tap or lyrical or whatever. I'm literally just pulling out of my like dance mom's reference point, but it's okay to like different things and have a perspective that you prefer, different ways of doing the thing that you love, and what we talk about in this podcast episode is more about making sure that we are delivering what our clients and riders truly need, along with what we want and what fires us up.
Speaker 1:Now Zach's bringing a lot of experience, having just spoken to a lot of studio owners and their instructors, and so I just wanted to preface the conversation with that nudge, to be open-minded, especially if you feel like called out, because we are absolutely not calling anybody out and we might share perspectives on, you know, making sure your choreography is not performative. But I'm personally really just asking the questions because I think these conversations are necessary and especially for all of you who care about this type of stuff. We can't be in an echo chamber of everybody agreeing with each other. I love the fact that these conversations spark debate and as long as they're respectful, I'm all for it. So one final call out for Instructor Magic.
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Speaker 1:I am going to be doing another round of Instructor Magic over the summer, but it is not going to have the same level of Q&A calls live coaching that I do with the regular one, so you can hop on the waitlist or you can slide into round 11. And, of course, if you have any questions about these opportunities and these courses, slide me a DM on Instagram at HannahRospin. Okay, without further ado, welcome Zach Shares to the yes you Can podcast. Welcome, zach, back to the yes you Can podcast. I'm so excited that we're going to be talking about your latest venture, your latest adventure around the world. Latest venture, your latest adventure around the world and everything that you learned, being like, as you would say, in the streets, in the studios. 38 is that how many you visited?
Speaker 1:yeah 38 wild, absolutely, and we. You visited my hometown and we met in person, which was the best yeah, stop, 18 stop you were stopping.
Speaker 1:So what I, we, what we wanted to talk about today, was like literally what you learned, you know, from being in these studios, working with instructors, working with teams, working with brands, because what we've seen on your stories and on your social media is like there there's a common thread, like there's feelings that people have about the industry what's working, what's not working and we know you speak the truth, so I'm excited to have you to share it today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, thank you so much for having me and I'm so happy to be back. It's like I remember the last podcast I had with you was a a year ago and I remember sitting in in London and being like I just need to talk to Hannah. So thank you for having me back here. We are at like almost a year later with the next one, but yeah, no, with the.
Speaker 2:My whole reason behind the why why I wanted to do this road trip is I've been just noticing this disconnect when it comes between owners and and talent instructors, coaches, whatever people use and there was just this huge disconnect that I just kept noticing throughout the industry and I kept thinking, like you know, I've never had a conversation with an owner being like Zach, how do I make it the worst for my team, how do I destroy them? I've never had an owner do that.
Speaker 2:I've had the opposite with instructors, being like, how do I just do inside people's spaces and understanding what's actually going on in this industry, because I just noticed over the last couple of years there has been this big disconnect when it does come, in terms of the owner and the instructors, and so this tour is actually something that I wanted to do for my 30th birthday Originally six years ago. I'm 36 now and I wanted to drive across and stop at 30 different cities, and last year I was like what have I been wanting to do? And this is one of the things I wanted to do. I was like what have I been wanting to do? And this is one of the things I wanted to do, and so I, in December, I was getting an Excel spreadsheet altogether and just starting Googling.
Speaker 2:I was actually using Google Maps and being like indoor cycling Florida indoor cycling you know, like Alabama and just everything that just came up and on my Excel spreadsheet, which is so crazy for the usi, came up with 150 boutique indoor cycling studios okay which is wild, because I was like, wow, there's that many um throughout the us and through that 150 from, I messaged either emailed or dm on instagram 110 of them and through 110, there was about 80 people that responded and from that 80, I had around 60 zoom calls with each owner. Yeah, and so through those 60 zoom calls it came down to the, to the 38. And so I really got to grab so much data, originally when I was able to have Zoom calls with every owner and really just understand where people were at, and so through having these conversations, I really got to understand more about how I wanted to take this road trip and what I wanted to do with this road trip.
Speaker 2:And that's where I was like, okay, I really got to understand more about how I wanted to take this road trip and what I wanted to do with this road trip and that's where I was like okay, I really want to connect with owners, Because what I always say is it starts at the top and it goes down from there. So let's just see what's going on with the owners, let's see what's happening there. That way is, how is it trickling down and how the talent and the teams are feeling, started connecting with people, and then tesla became a sponsor, tesla getting one of their model wise, which is really, really great how many did you go through on this trip?
Speaker 2:so I did go through four different. It was actually crazy. My first car Cause I started in Florida. Yeah, I woke up one morning, day one in the car driving recording myself, and then I get a comment being like Zach, there's a crack on the windshield. Yeah, I was like what, no idea how that even happened. And so they gave me another one and then drove that one actually for a while. That one I got all the way over to Canada, all the way over to you. That car got all the way over to California and the tires were completely bald when I was in California. Yeah, so I had to get that one replaced. And then I got over to Austin and the it was so hot in Austin and the system just shut down. I don't.
Speaker 1:It was overwhelmed, yeah, considering how far you went, because, like when we, when we say 38 cities, like that is it's all over, like literally, like you drove from chicago, I think, to winnipeg totally, that was probably.
Speaker 2:That was like my longest. From chicago to winnipeg was like literally one of my longest drives.
Speaker 1:It was like 17 hours and that's why, like for one studio, for what was it like two days? Like one day, like we had, like we had two rides with you, I think, and then you went over, I I can't remember. Montana yes. I wanted to like tag along, I know.
Speaker 2:I was so excited to get over to Montana and actually this was going from you to Montana was one of the craziest adventures that I had because I my battery died because it was so cold. Yeah, Up there in Canada was so cold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like legit, it was a worth weather.
Speaker 2:I couldn't get from one supercharger to the next supercharger, and so I had to get towed. I stopped at this random station and met this local lovely ladies that were, you know, just like your local gave me snacks. They gave me cheetos and you know that gas station coffee. I asked for ice because the people that know me it could be freezing outside but I still want my ice coffee.
Speaker 3:But it was one of those guys they were like ice.
Speaker 2:You're crazy. Yeah, it was also one of those gas stations where people were coming in being like well, if you didn't drive an electric car and I'm like oh yeah, yeah, please just help me. What you need is a truck. What you need is a truck and I'm like listen, we'll talk about that later, but right now I charger.
Speaker 1:Yeah anybody have a charger. That was in saskatchewan, I think yeah, yeah, fast just went over from us. You went through a lot of so you were saying Tesla sponsored you. You're in a Tesla right now, which is like so appropriate, and I died when your camera went on. Exactly Can't be stopped. I'm going. I live here now. So you're really the sponsorship. You're like, you're like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, it's actually really crazy talking about now. What's been so interesting is, you know I was on the road for three months. Yeah. I started March 15th and I finished June 4th and two and a half months and I I really got through all 38 cities in those in that timeframe and when I got back home to New York on June 5th, I don't know how to express to you like the emotional moment of that and anybody that's ever gone on a tour it's.
Speaker 2:It's wild what it does to your mind when you get home and you're just sitting, because I really did a deep dive with every studio and every owner and the communities and I was in so much and and with that I was just holding that in because I didn't really have a moment to be able to release that yeah and I'm nowhere near you know these big, big artists when it comes into you know huge superstar artist. But there was a moment I've been googling everything, hannah, like how do artists feel when they're done with a tour? Like how do you feel when they're done doing an extended tour, like I did? And it's wild. It's the same emotions this cut is it?
Speaker 1:does it feel like a calm down? And because I would. I feel like I would be different. I feel like I'd be like a different person almost, but like in a familiar space that might feel unfamiliar, because now I have all this like it's like it's uncontrolled emotions and it's very much.
Speaker 2:What did I just do? I need to keep going, I need to just do it. Which goes into, and I didn't realize a lot of artists that add dates to their things and keep going, it's because they're on this cycle. They can't actually come down. Oh, it's almost like a drug that's like in this moment being like I don't want to come down because the come down is very like bam, it hits you yeah, yeah just slow and I felt that because it was like bam tour's over, go home quiet at home in New York yeah
Speaker 2:and that calm down was so like the past week for me was just the emotional roller coaster was wild for me, and and so that's so perfect that we're having this conversation now, because I feel like now I'm just understanding how to just like move, you know day to day again, just to get a copy, you know having normal conversations again, because what people have to really understand what I was going on is I was really in no city longer than two days. No. They're overnight.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there overnight yeah, so when I'm going to a city.
Speaker 2:It's like this roller coaster of people are excited to see me, and then I do my classes and then we go to dinner, we have drinks, and then I get on the road, I'm doing it again, and then it's that other thing. Again I'm on the road, I'm quiet. Then I get to the next city. It's uh, zach's here. Finally we've been talking about this for months. Yeah, yeah, process, do it again.
Speaker 1:So it was like it was that 38 times yeah, in succession right and also like when you and I had dinner, I was like I I don't know that I could do this with my personality, which is extroverted, introvert for sure, and I need time after, after a big something to be quiet and maybe that would be the drive.
Speaker 1:For sure I've done something similar, like when I was DJing and touring a bit and then when I would used to be in charge of marketing for wheelhouse and to go to Regina a lot and all this amazing energy, and then you'd come back but I was like, but I know you are an in-person connector and you really thrive off of those deep, real, authentic connections and you had so many of them. Um, so were some things like we could go anywhere with this, but what were some things that you were hearing fairly consistently across all of these different cities? Because the markets that they're in like Canada to the US rural versus right in the middle of downtown somewhere. I find it fascinating that you've told me there's some consistent like through lines, in observations, in our industry?
Speaker 2:yeah, no, and it was, and I and I actually just did this post on this on Instagram and it was this moment of instructors not knowing where to go and what they should do, and it was this constant moment being like you know, social media is very loud, you know there's a lot happening on social media. What do I listen to that? What do I actually listen to? And so I was noticing this constant moment of that of instructors feeling like they needed to go that way. But every instructor was like but I'm also exhausted and maybe I need to take a break. This is not for me, and that was in every city, I will say was that constant thing where people just kept being like do I follow this? Do I not follow this? But this is what actually makes me successful here, but do I need to follow on what looks successful on this other side? And you know, and then only when it comes down to the owners as well, the owners were like my team is telling me that we need to do it this way, but that's not really working for our community and where we're at. So how do I actually need to do that? So that was that constant thing that just kept happening over this tour and I really do feel like for me it was like a tour of being like where you're at is great, and how do we elevate you from where you're at now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was one of those things too, of me just telling people what we all see on social media. It's so different what's happening in person, in real life, and I personally noticed, know this firsthand with so many people Because I've been fortunate enough to work with so many people within this industry and understand what actually happens in person, and so that was a big conversation that I had with so many of these studios being like what is your version of success? Because if your version of success is having a bunch of followers and, you know, having all the comments and doing all these things like great, maybe we'll go down that road, but you have to understand that's not bringing people into your space and one of the big things I noticed on this trip, there were people without social media at all, that had weightless classes, and I always say you know we all have this love-hate relationship with social media. You know it does incredible things, but at the same time, we have to know what's real and what's not.
Speaker 3:But at the same time we have to know what's real and what's not.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I just think we just need to figure out what is it our local communities want? And more than ever, people just want to hug each other. They just want to be present with each other. They just want to like it was just like you and I sitting down on it. I got there a few minutes after you and you just had champagne waiting for me and I was just hugging you. You know what I mean. Yeah, I don't want to let go and I just want to campaign in person 15 more times and it just felt so good and that's what we're all missing.
Speaker 2:And you know and I know that that you know we can't all just like jump in a car, jump in a plane and come always see each other, but it's just that moment of like. How are we going to make those moments happen more and making sure those moments are being created? And yeah, people are just and that goes back into a lot of instructors are talking about feeling burnt out or feeling a certain way it's. And I and I speak of all of this because I was there and so much of my job and what I do I always say like I'm with my job and how I like lead things. I have to be a year or two years ahead of everybody, because it's my job to really show people and explain to people on hey, this is how you can get there without feeling like how I did.
Speaker 2:And so when I have a lot of people talking to me about this, whether it be burnout or whether it be follow the trends or whether it be all these things, I'm speaking from personal facts and experiences yeah and that's where I really go into, with these people being like listen, I'm not here to be an asshole, I'm here to help you because I see so much of myself in so many people when they're trying to keep up with so many other things. Yeah. Not actually trying to do all these other you know moments.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like Sander Lane and, like their expertise, do what actually is working, instead of feeling pressure because of something on social media to change Totally. Break the product into something else. Do you have evidence that that's what your community wants or needs? Let's actually ask your riders, ask your community. What do they want more of? What's bringing them into classes? Look at your utilization rates and be like what is working versus we need to fly somebody in um and do a workshop with them and you know, like when our writers like maybe don't want all this choreography, or they don't like want some some crazy wild thing, like you don't need to break everything down just because you see other people doing it, but that's what social media shows us often and that goes into that part too, and I I want everybody to hear this have and I really want to explain this to people, it's literally what you just said people flying people in Something.
Speaker 2:That drives me absolutely insane and I just want to be louder and louder and louder about it. If an owner pays someone thousands of dollars to go and teach somewhere and one of somebody on your team is asking for five extra dollars or something, that owner that brand is and I'm I'll say it loud and clear is a complete fucking asshole. Because if you tell your team that you can't give them five more dollars but you can pay someone else thousands of dollars to go and do something for a day or two, it shows where your priorities are and it just makes me, it eats me up like crazy, because at the end of the day, these local communities are coming to your space every day for those people, or your current coaches, instructors, in your space, because what this is that other side that I'm noticing is brands that's paid money like that in the past. They're like fuck, we paid a lot of money, now how do we get out of this?
Speaker 1:fuck, we paid a lot of money, now how do we get out of this now? Now what?
Speaker 2:now what you have to do it again next year bigger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're not investing in our own infrastructure, investing in our own team here to make it, make it something that we can build on, and I, and, and with this as well, and I'll be very blunt and clear why so many other people do charge so much money. What people have to understand so many trends and I'm talking about multiple trends. I'm not targeting this out to anybody, I'm just talking about most of the trends, and these are facts. They don't have people coming into their spaces, so a lot of these people are having to charge other people a lot of money so they can make ends meet at home yeah and again people do your understand what's happening out there?
Speaker 2:That's why people are charging this and again, I speak from this experience. I see this. I've got to work with a lot of people and so it's like this tour, for instance. I see what's going on and in my mind of what I'm doing is I'm thinking how do I make this less expensive for the communities and for the people? I personally, I don't want people paying this crazy upscale price.
Speaker 2:And when I was going and talking to the studio owners about this, that was one of my key points of being like, yes, I'm coming to town, but don't you double or triple your drop in rate, because I want everybody to be able to come to the class and come to the space, right? So, me having that mindset, what do I do? I have these sponsors that are helping me and I'll be very clear with everybody, because I don't hide anything with this. You know these owners. There was two options with these owners. Option one was they pay $750 and I teach two classes. And option two was they pay $1,500 and I do a workshop with the entire team. And I'm doing this because, again, I'm trying to see what is going on in this community and how I can make it better. It's not me jumping in here and being like, oh, I need to charge. You know this crazy amount of money, this $20,000.
Speaker 2:But again, like, I don't have to do that because I'm having these sponsors and people help yeah, do that because I'm having these sponsors and people help. Yeah, other people out there in this community if you see a struggling studio or whatever else, you have people with all these followers. I don't have a lot of followers, but I have Tesla, fabletics and IHG Hotel sponsoring me. So all these other people that have all these followers and all these things, use that, get your sponsors to sponsor you so you can really make a bigger impact. So that's just where my kind of like rant is on that, because I'm just I don't like. It's literally what just happened to j-lo. J-lo's tickets were how much I, I didn't even see.
Speaker 1:I did not even see, but I know she canceled she canceled, but yeah like so expensive yeah, the thing also is like, when you know, when I've had business coaches or whatever I've been in coaching programs for helping me with my business of professional development for instructors, instructor magic, podium prep, all this sort of stuff and they're like you should be charging more, you should be charging like four. And I'm like we're coaches, we're instructors, we're investing in our own development. There is a ceiling, there is a limit, there is a ceiling, there is a limit, like we are and I'm, you know, I've had people who are professors, who are other you know, who have a way like huge other sources of income. But my business is to help people level up, fill classes, change lives with their, with their mastery of their craft and like finding community. I'm not going to be charging like a thousand dollars per course for this, like lifetime access, it's like half of that and it'll probably always be that until until the day where we all get paid significantly more.
Speaker 1:Right, because some instructors don't even get paid commission, they get base rate and I just did this whole fit pro pay transparency thing.
Speaker 1:So I have the data telling me that people are making you, you know, $19 a class with no raises, no bonuses, no, nothing up to max a hundred, like, depending on the, the, the region, overcharging, overcharging your clients, overcharging anybody. It's just there's a limit of what we can do in the fitness industry and we're going to be taking away a lot of amazing experiences If we focus on on the wrong things because, like you said, it's like the hug. It's the people come up to me after class who, like, just got through their fifth class and finally found the rhythm and had this breakthrough. It's. It's not about and I'll post choreo stuff. I will and I love it, but those are are the exceptions and not the rule of what I see in my community and I I share the same thoughts to you probably a year ago and that, and that goes more into that post that I was just talking about as well, because what I was, the post that I just had on Instagram.
Speaker 2:You know, I was talking about choreo and you know, going on this tour, I got to see the communities and most people that come to my classes like they're coming to my class because they know indoor cycling and so when I'm in these classes and seeing what's actually what they're wanting to do and what's happening within these communities, these communities are wanting connection, they're wanting to be heard, they're wanting to be seen, and so I'm I'm all for choreo when that moment happens. But like, where is that actual connection that people are having with their communities? And when I was teaching in some of these cities with the communities and even coaches like they were like you know what, you were not doing a lot of crazy stuff, but took us to another space and actually made us work harder. And that's one of my questions for everybody. When I ask them that question, I'm like what is your challenge for people? Is your challenge doing all this like crazy stuff from the bike?
Speaker 2:But what people have to understand is this whole thing of all this crazy choreo and everything that's happening. It's like negative percentage of the people that can do it and people have to understand that there's only a small amount of people that can actually do that. And, yes, people can practice, they can do things, they can go into that, but that's not where everybody's headspace is, and so I think that's what's happening. So much is. How do I rephrase this? I saw something recently that one of these coaches was complaining literally on Instagram about how people aren't coming to their class, and then when I'm seeing this person's Instagram, I'm like all that complicated thing that you're doing, that scares a lot of people and people don't want to come to that yeah and so it's flip it the other way.
Speaker 2:Why don't you ask your community why they're not coming? Ask them what's going on, see what's happening. And us, as leaders and mentors in this community, we have to adjust to the people that are around us and see what's going on with them. You know we can't be pushing our opinions onto them and being like this is the way that you need to do it. And if you're not going to do it this way, keep trying, keep coming back. No, that's not how this works. It's we just need to understand.
Speaker 2:What is it again our community is wanting, and that's one of those other bigger things that I was noticing so much of. And to add into this, one of the other things that I was noticing from owners, that I was having that conversation with owners and when it comes in terms of coaches, I didn't want to talk about this, I didn't know exactly how to talk about it. The other thing that I've been taking notes on this trip, like if you saw my, like my spreadsheet I have so many notes of just things that I've been just just noticing, seeing whether it be something that I hear on Instagram or going into a studio, Every studio that I was going to. When a person was feeling a certain way, I would write their name down and put how they were feeling, and I have this even from people on Instagram people that's left, Instagram, people that's done all these things. I have all their names written down on the spreadsheet and next to that, I'm writing down who they're inspired by and maybe one day I can share.
Speaker 2:I couldn't share the person's name, but I can share this other, deeper side. It's been very interesting the common thread of people that they're inspired by, of the people that are getting burnt out and tired, and here's what's happening. You have to think about people that you're inspired by if you're on a team. If you say I'm part of a team, and when I say a team, I'm talking about a team. If you say I'm part of a team, and when I say a team, I'm talking about a team at a studio, not your community, not anybody else. If there's 12 of you on a team, are you guys a team together? You have to work together as a team. What's happening with so many trends right now is these people don't understand. These are individual people, and so if you're getting advice from individual people, then when you try to go to your team, it's not going to click. That kind of makes sense at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's there's so many individual people out there, it's there's so many individual people out there pushing opinions to people that now these coaches are going back to their studios fighting with their teams, fighting with their owners, because individual people told them what to do. And if you notice and everybody take notes on this and look at this, you can research all these things yourself is if you notice individual people don't have teams. So you have to recognize that and that's something that I recognize, that within that, and then the people that are giving advice that have real strong, solid teams are coming back with different information coming in. So that's something that I was really noticing in people fighting with owners and that was one of the biggest fights that I kept noticing, because these owners are like do I do it this way? But that's not really what. What do I do?
Speaker 2:And the owners are like freaking out because then some of these people are like they're threatening to leave my studio and they you know what do I do? How do I make this happen? They're screaming you won't be successful. And I've talked about this a lot. Even on my own journey I had people tell me that if you don't follow this path, your business will go nowhere. And so I had to separate myself from a lot of people, get realigned where I'm at and understand where I'm at, and me, going on Zach's path, got to do a 38 city tour that no one in this fitness industry has ever done in their life. So that's what I want to say to everybody is really tune in to who you're looking at and who you're inspired by, and are they an individual or are they a team player?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also like why you're inspired by them too, because I think that sometimes we like, why you're inspired by them too, because I think that sometimes we um, we like, compare right, we'll compare some ourselves to somebody else, and I want that and you're like, why like? Why do you want that? Do you really want a million followers on Instagram? I don't like. I, a thousand percent, don't I? I deal with one troll a month, maybe, and that's it, and it's great. And I have my business and Instagram serves me to to run my business and it's great.
Speaker 2:I do not need a million followers leaving shitty ass comments on my reels that I have to like have ruin my peace when I'm at the barn with my horses, you know what I mean, like I like and I and I get with what you're saying, hannah, because I remember when I got there with you to to Winnipeg, you had an issue with a troll. Yeah, and that's one of those moments with us, even though that we try to quiet that noise yeah it still fucks with us yeah, yeah, it's like absolutely done stop trying to derail me.
Speaker 2:I'm on my path. Yeah, but those moments it happens to you and I both where we're like fuck am I am. What I'm saying is what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:yeah, and I feel like I've gotten to the point where I know that, like with my experience, with the way I communicate, like I'm never, I'm never saying something so extreme that I'm not, it's not a hill that I'm willing to die on, based on experience, based on whatever, based on data. And then when I put it out there and somebody's like who are you?
Speaker 1:and I'm like, look at my fucking linkedin and see my three degrees and teach courses on this out of university, like literally, like step aside because you're, you're, it's the wrong person, I am not her, and so I get, I get frustrated because I'm just like the fact that you have to deal with this. But but if I were to think about scaling and that's a lot of people's desires, and even maybe fitness boutique studio owners, like they might be told like scale, scale, scale, have more locations, have more bigger dual digital platform, do you want that? Or do you want to have a thriving community and utilization rates off the charts and like slowly built? Because like scaling is not, it's not actually that amazing for everybody. For some people great, but a really passionate community. You have to feed that and it gets harder and harder the bigger you get.
Speaker 2:Totally, totally, yeah, no, I, I so feel you with that. And that's this next phase of even what I've been doing, you know, on this tour, and really understanding where everybody's at and what's happening and using my voice in that way and then trying to scale myself like, okay, I'm in this phase now because, I'll be honest, even I was. I was talking with my boyfriend, joe, before that I started this trip. I went to cancel it. I was terrified, hannah, because I was getting.
Speaker 2:I remember this, that's so I remember this yes, and I was like because I was getting messages from people being like what are you doing? Why would you do this? What are you putting out there? Don't say anything about this? And so I was getting I get messages from trolls all the time and so it was just like that noise that kept coming in and I was like I was like I can't do this. They kept coming in and I was like I was like I can't do this. But then I ended up doing it and let me tell you like where I'm at now. I'm in this space where I feel so secure with my voice and my career because, after doing this trip, like I understand that I now have people that have my back, and I wasn't so sure of that before I started this trip.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I knew that I did but not fully Like.
Speaker 2:I knew that I had like like really people, like really had my back and the more and more I'm speaking my truth and me and even that post that I just did a couple of days ago I'm just like people, like they see and they hear me, and people need more of this to feel okay. And again, I'm just. I'm very much in this space now. The best way to describe this and someone recently just told me this is I've been in New York City for 14 years and up until literally this trip, I've been saying I've been wanting to leave New York City. For a long time I've been saying I've been wanting to leave New York City for a long time.
Speaker 2:Hmm, and I love New York City. It's an amazing city. Been there 14 years but I always used I live in New York to define my work. Hmm. And after this, during this trip and Joe and I have spoken a lot about this together because we've been just like possibly looking at other places but it's been one of these moments where I can confidently say I live somewhere else and I know that people will bring me on still and hire me.
Speaker 2:Right, that's where I'm at now you don't need the cachet like the clout of yeah work and yeah, and that trip took me to understand that, and so that's how confident I am right at now to be like okay, I'm so confident with where I am and what I speak, I'm like I got this.
Speaker 1:I can live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it took a long time to get into that space, but you know, I thrived off that moment with work of people were like, oh, where do you live? I'm like, oh, new York city. And they're like, oh, my God, I love New York, that's the best place ever. And I'm just like I know it's where I've worked for 14 years. And now it's I could be like, oh, I live in Kansas. Hey, where's the closest airport? Well, you know, fly there soon. So that's just very much that confidence where I'm at now. And I feel that and that's what feels so good now because I just I feel so confident within that with, but in it. You know, just a few months ago I didn't feel confident like that. I thought I still so confident within that with, but you know, just a few months ago I didn't feel confident like that.
Speaker 1:I thought I still had to use that moment of I'm in New York, this is where I'm at, and I could never move anywhere else because I'm only valid in my work if I live right that's something a lot of people can relate to, I think, whether they they are at a studio and they feel like that's synonymous with their brand and they have to stay at the studio to be successful.
Speaker 1:I've had lots of conversations with instructors who were like this is like the big name studio, but it doesn't feel good to me and it's not I. I maybe I moved here and I want to move back to my smaller studio that has a better community or one that fits me more and so like dropping I don't want to necessarily call it ego, but it's like part of your, what you feel like you are defined by, as you mentioned. I wanted to ask what you thought instructors like, some some takeaways that you could give instructors from this trip, whether it was things you learned when you were teaching or conversations you had with studio owners because there's so many instructors that are, you know, in my community who listen to this podcast some takeaways, whether it's do less or invest in your community, or really whatever you think were some common things that they need to know yeah, I, it's really just talk with your community, see what's going on, see what's up, play things that just like really fully drive you.
Speaker 2:And you know, and I've been getting these messages a lot from people when I was doing workshops and they're like I'm telling a story through my music. I'm like connecting with my people differently and not thinking about all these things I actually need to be doing on the bike. I'm just reading my room in a way.
Speaker 2:That's like connecting, you know with them and so many people do feel like they need to do all these things and they need to be. You know, doing backflips and everything else, and it's no, what makes you feel good, what drives you in this way and what is your why behind doing it? You know I speak a lot about. You know, with instructors I was saying this a lot of you know I was taking a lot of walks and that was part of my story and that walk is that moment, you know, if the music gets quiet or whatever else. I don't go into isolations. I tell people to walk Because in isolation takes thought. I tell people to walk because in isolation takes thought and walking takes thought but it's a different kind of thinking.
Speaker 2:You can really think about what you need to think about, and in isolation, is more of oh my God, I'm thinking about this isolation, I can't think about anything else. That kind of makes sense with that.
Speaker 2:So it's more of what is your story and how are you going to go about that. But going in with instructors, give the why behind that For me. Why are we taking that walk? We're taking that walk because we're going to figure some shit out so we can really show up on the other side. Kind of like improvising with that right now, but it's like telling your story. Rather it be body language. Body language is really really powerful and so how can you use your body in a way that people feel that and connect with that? Because, yeah, just like riding on the bike and just getting bigger, just whatever's embodying with you with that song getting connected with it, like that's what's special there yeah and that's where I just want more instructors to really dive into of what is driving you, because that's why these people are coming to your class.
Speaker 2:People are coming to your class to connect with you, and I just think that more instructors in this way just need to find that why behind why they're teaching yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:It's really interesting because I was just. I just had a call with this round of instructor magic folks and we were talking about core values and personal brand quite a bit and it was like I think I'm this instructor but my riders think I'm this type of instructor and I'm like like it's less about what you do, it's like the. They're like I feel like I'm the choreography instructor, I'm the advanced choreography instructor, but I want to be the motivational one. I'm like people don't remember all of those little minutiae, tactical things that you you're thinking so hard about. They remember how you made them feel it's a Maya Angelou quote, right. They don't remember exactly what you said or how you said it or what track you played. It's like it's the overall experience and that's driven by your core values as an instructor, which is driven by what you just said, which is like why you're up there, what's your purpose? How do you want people to feel leaving the class versus? What specific things are you going to do, step by step?
Speaker 2:It's, and that's a perfect thing to do. That, even for instructors as well, is that was something I kept noticing on this trip is instructors just keep talking and they're just. And when you just keep talking and you keep talking, it just becomes in this thing of just you're projecting onto your people yeah and I see this happen often, even on social media.
Speaker 2:It happens often where you're just talking and you're talking and you're talking, you're just projecting and you're projecting, and then sometimes people are streaming their projections and you're not actually giving your community, your writers, a moment to even think. It's more of like why are you yelling at me? Why aren't you allowing me to have a moment to even think?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and digest, reflect, connect to what you're saying before you're on to the next thing.
Speaker 2:It just goes into that way of people think about and this is a big part of my workshops, going on this on this trip if you think about, either you listen to a pod, like most people listen to podcasts, or if they're listening to a ted talk or whatever, how many times does that mentor or leader repeat the same thing before they continue on? And thinking about it in this way, I I do this a lot. If I'm teaching I'll be like why are you here? I would say it again. I really want you to think why you're here the third time. Say why again, but add into that and just be quiet.
Speaker 2:Let people's minds just really process what's going on, and that's one of those moments where it's like a conversation with people. You just go back to the main thing of what you want to talk about and for each class, if that's something that if people want to set intent, if you want to set intent for class, maybe it's three words, maybe it's three things that you're just like wanting to focus towards and focus on. But when you're just like it's one song and you're just talking and you're just going, people aren't going to actually understand anything, and especially if there's lyrics going on, because then there's this whole moment. That's what's happening. You know where are we and where am I supposed to be, and so that's where that disconnect can start. You know happening within that way.
Speaker 2:So that would be one thing that I would say for instructors, because, going into that, instructors, we're all going through our own life shit. So, yeah, we have a lot of shit to say, we got a lot to say, but how are you going to make sure that you're keeping it simple in a way that people just don't feel like you're just projecting everything onto them? And and then, trust me, I've been there before and then you know, it's like one of the things I kept doing, you know, during workshops, is, let's say, like an instructor was like talking or whatever, and I would stop the instructor and I, and this would be like during a training, and I would ask people. I'd be like did anybody understand? Like where he or she, what was the target thing? And everybody was like I don't know. It's like you got to give those key points about what you're talking about. So then we fully understand what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:So then we fully understand what you're talking about so we can piece it together yeah, we do this in inside my course too when we're talking about motivation, because I find when people think about motivation or inspirational communication, they think like they have to be like know everything and and say it super eloquently. I'm like you can ask questions. You can ask questions or you can define what it is that you're talking about, like when I say, when I say just do it or do it, scared this by, and you define it really clearly so that people understand that piece of motivation and can also connect with it in a way that might make more sense to them, like it might. It might mean getting up out of the saddle. It might mean just getting here today. It might mean signing up for that thing that you're scared of.
Speaker 1:It might mean just like looking for whatever, and you can go on and on and on about it and but, but not but not on it, like with without intention filling that space because you need to have a second, as they're working out, to like actually think and and connect with what you're saying in a way that's like about their own experience. What were some things that you wanted to share with with studio owners? Based on all the conversations you have with studio owners and we can segue soon into what's next. If you want to share anything, about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with studio owners. It was very interesting on this trip with this because out of the 38 cities that I went to, only five of them have ever had a guest instructor, which is very interesting, and I would say typically more instructors probably know me than owners do and I really wanted to have like just deeper conversations with them. And as I was having these conversations, one of the biggest things that I've noticed is owners are trying to do everything, and one of my mentors gave me this. He's a mentor of mine that I just, if I'm having one of those days, I just know whatever I say to him stays, you know, silence. Yes, because he doesn't really know anybody else in this industry and so he doesn't know what he does.
Speaker 2:But yeah, he's solid and every time I say something to him, he refers it to sports. And it was so amazing on this and this is what I noticed with all the owners is you think about sports, there's the owner, there's the coach and there's the player, and if any three of those were to mix, they would lose. Mix they would lose. And going into that phrase of that, that's what I noticed so much of these studios is they're trying to be the owner.
Speaker 2:The coach and the player and that's why people are tired, they're exhausted and they're completely like what do I do? So that's one set of the owners that I was noticing, and you know the term with people always comes down to what's expensive it. It costs a lot.
Speaker 2:You know this, this and that, and I used to think that personally I have somebody now that works with me and it's somebody that I brought on that I was like can I afford this? It's going to work out what's going to happen. It is saving me and gaining me so much at the same time. And most of the people that say I don't have the money for it Actually I'll say this the people, the owners that say I don't have the money for it, they're scared of letting go yeah it has nothing to do with the money.
Speaker 1:It's trust issues yeah, trusting somebody else can do it better or to the same degree that they could, and I feel like I understand that. You know you build something probably from the ground. You put your blood, sweat and tears into it, but if you cannot delegate, you can't double yourself. How are you going to take a vacation if you don't have systems and processes and a person who knows how to run things and probably maybe even bring suggestions on, like how to make things more productive or how to organize or do the things that you're not amazing at, so you can go and be in your zone of genius yeah, and that is the part of that, and it's hard like it was hard for me to bring somebody on and be like how do I just is it okay, you know that?
Speaker 2:you know that she's answering this email or taking that phone call, or is it okay that I'm not on there? Ah, it's no, zach, trust, just trust. And so that's one of the biggest things I noticed with a lot of these, with a lot of the owners yes, it costs, but it will save you so much in the end of your mental, your relationships like your personal relationships, your relationships like your personal relationships. You know your a lot of these people have kids, they have families, and that's something else I've been noticing. This industry a lot is people are trying to figure out I want to spend more time with my kids, I want to spend more time with my husband, my wife, you know people are my personal relationships, my partners.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So people are recognizing that now and being like how do I do that? And that has just been a big part of like people really trying to figure out owner wise on how do I do that and how do I make that happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nobody wants to like close their studio, but sometimes these like the lack of of delegation, upscaling your team and resourcing your team will be the thing that will burn you out as an owner or or create toxicity in your team if they you feel like you're doing everything and you're frustrated with your instructors who aren't promoting or something, instead of investing in some marketing and having somebody like run that, so you're not expecting your instructors to do everything and they're not looking to you saying why aren't you promoting me, which I hear a lot?
Speaker 2:that happens a lot. Yeah, no, that does happen a lot that's, that's, yeah, that's the side of that that I own. Start I noticed with owners and then the other side, with owners as well one of the biggest things, which goes into what I'm going into. Next, one of the biggest things that I noticed in an industry not even just on this tour, but as a whole nobody has leadership skills. No one has prior leadership.
Speaker 1:Like professional.
Speaker 2:Professional. How do I work with this team of these people? I'm just trying to figure it out Now. What you're seeing is you have, we all going through shit? So that's where it all starts. We're all going through our own personal, you know, day-to-day life, whatever you have, and then you've never had leadership skills to actually run a business, to run a team, to run people.
Speaker 2:So that's what's happening so much to people that it's like they're just everyone's just trying to figure it out along the way, which is costing them money and, more important, their mental health, and it's driving them insane. And that's probably one of the biggest things that I really did notice from an owner perspective on that, and that's why so many of them were like, yeah, like we recognize that and how do we move forward? And that's what was just so great for me and what was so powerful for me that I really took away from myself is, out of all these 38 cities, I didn't have one moment where I was like get me the fuck out of here, which was incredible yeah, that's so incredible the connections was just so deep with each person, and which always goes into that thing.
Speaker 2:And the other big thing that I noticed from this trip is we're all fucking alike. We're all out here just trying to figure it out. We're all out here in these streets, you know, it's like I just been using that so much, since I've literally been in these streets yeah you know, we're just all out here just trying to be like okay, this reality, and how do I make it better?
Speaker 2:And people are getting exhausted from chasing, exhausted from trying to keep up which is why I put that post up the other day Like people are done chasing things that aren't happening for them. Right and that's I tell people do your research. Social media is so different from what's actually happening in person and I'll be the first to tell everybody most of these people that you think are successful in social media, they are not successful in real life they're not filling classes, necessarily not filling classes, not doing any of that.
Speaker 2:And for me I'm not here to be like fuck those people, they're awful. I'm just saying people are just chasing things and tired. And now we're in this space now, where everyone's just so exhausted and they're like okay, now what do I do? Which direction do I go?
Speaker 2:yeah and yeah, and so with these owners, they're wanting to go into that like space and recognize that and see where to go next, and that's why I'm doing what I'm going into next is it comes in this way, and I've actually been talking about this for a long time, and when I did this whole talk a year ago about burnout, trying to keep up, one of my biggest quotes was everyone's talking about it, but no one's actually coming together and talking and something with all these owners, though all of them were talking about the same thing. They don't know each other. A couple of them they know of each other, but they don't know each other. And I'm like all you guys need to do is just come together and talk and have real conversations. So that's what I'm doing for all of them. So, for a thank you to them, in October I'm doing a retreat for them in Joshua Tree. Amazing.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, I'm super pumped to do this for them. And again it goes down to that way where I've done a lot of retreats in the past.
Speaker 2:I've done a lot of retreats in the past and I've all and I've created retreats in the past based on what's going on in communities, and that's why I'm creating this of what's actually going on, what's happening, and, like I always say, it starts at the top, in the top of the owners. So what are people like myself and leaders in this community need to do is we need to make sure the owners are good yeah because so many of these owners are being treated like shit from instructors and coaches, because then coaches, instructors they don't fully understand what it's like to run a business, and I've known people that's gone and opened up their own business and they're like, because then coaches and instructors, they don't fully understand what it's like to run a business and I've known people that's gone and opened up their own business and they're like fuck, this is hard.
Speaker 1:Now I understand. Yeah, I have to order toilet paper. I have to do timesheets.
Speaker 2:I have to approve payroll and get back to that water. So that's what I'm doing for all these owners. And then what's happening within these owners is it's not costing them a lot. It's very costly. Very, very, very little, because I have sponsors with this and the sponsors that are attending this are people that every that, they all use. I have a leadership person coming to talk about leadership. I have a good, good friend of mine.
Speaker 2:She does magic, but she's also a venture capitalist cool oh, she is in that whole world of like venture capital and so that's having those conversations. I have an audio team that I always work with that they're coming, so I'm bringing people together.
Speaker 2:When it comes in terms of side of that, they're aligned with me, because all 38 of these studios have been aligned with me so now, when I'm bringing all these studios that were aligned with me and then all you know software companies, audio companies, all these other people that are also aligned with me bringing that together, it's going to really create magic for all of them, because people are coming to me, because we're connected and we're aligned, and it's been very one of that's been my biggest thing that I've been moving forward with is I'm only bringing people around me.
Speaker 2:They're aligned with me. Yeah, and I've had some people reach out to me and be like I want to be a part of this retreat. I want to do this like other people, and I'm like I'm being so cautious this round, because here's what the other wild thing is. Even for myself, I was so shocked the other day. So this went live for the, for the, for the owners, for them to sign up, and now over half of them have now signed up for this retreat. And, by the way, hannah, no one's name is on it. No one's name. Who is attending?
Speaker 2:answer wise is on it yeah what I'm realizing for myself is, like I talked about earlier, is I have these owners that trust me and they're in this space to be like we don't even know who's going to be there, but we trust you and we're here for you, and so that's been one of the most incredible things from this trip that I was in all of, because I was like, yes, there's like a basic itinerary of what's happening, but there's no who. There's the no the name. Be there. There's no headlin's no the names are going to be there.
Speaker 1:There's no headliners that they're expecting. That's the cloud. They're coming because they are excited with what you have to hire.
Speaker 2:All these people spend thousands of dollars for headliners and that's what's going to sell and that's what's going to make my business. So I'm in this other space now where I'm like no, I don't need that. People trust me and then trust what I'm going to create for them which is such like a full circle breath fresher breath, air for me.
Speaker 2:And one last thing to add to this that makes me feel so just at peace is, like these headliners that are coming, I'm not paying them. They're paying to be a part of this. They're paying to be a part of this.
Speaker 1:That's amazing, so it's just for me, it's just, it feels incredible yeah, it's like an energy exchange you know, like the studio owners investing their time, others investing their expertise, you investing your experience and like connection and bringing everybody together. I can't wait to see how it goes. I hope that. I hope that Taylor goes. I know?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm actually, I'm going to. I'll text him after this, taylor can get us there.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, taylor, part of everybody else, owner of wheelhouse and they absolutely hit it off as I know Taylor's amazing and I feel fair Everybody needs to know Taylor it it's like he was one of those owners.
Speaker 2:That's what I appreciate of wheelhouse, yeah, and and that's one more thing to add to this trip, or that I just did I was so deeply aligned with every owner through conversation and life that it blew my mind even when I got to wheel, when I got to Winnipeg, I was like Taylor, like how am I? Just? We just bonded and connected so instant, instantly, the moment that we saw each other. We were just like this instant connection and it was just like what the fuck is actually happening? And this is happening because I'm out here telling my story in these motherfucking streets and it's connecting me with the right people, yeah, and that this feels so good, like I'm just, I'm just on fire because for so many people that's been following my journey, like and with you too, hannah, like I've been fighting for this for years yeah and I was like there's no path.
Speaker 2:I was like I see no, I see no path. Now it's so fucking clear to me now that I'm like it's wide open wide open and no like. And I'm here and I'm gonna use my voice. And here we are.
Speaker 1:I am very grateful for you as a friend, as a peer, as somebody who, like, is not afraid to use their voice and offer, like, a different opinion based on data and facts.
Speaker 1:Like when we talk about opinions, I'm talking about, like, perspectives, experience. I'm talking about stuff that is is rooted in real life experience and sharing that with the world. People may not agree with everything we said on the podcast today, and that's completely fine, that's. You're basing that on your perspectives, your experience. However, nobody can argue with the, the, the facts that you've got and gathered and the experiences of meeting with 60 owners and then 38 cities that you actually visited, with multiple more instructors and coaches within those cities, and riders and clients and communities, and all of that. So thank you for sharing everything. I can't wait to see the, how it goes in october within for the retreat for the studio owners, and I'm sure people are going to be asking you to come back or have already done that and want you to come back next year, and that goes as well for the podcast. I'd love for you to be a return guest.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, no, I will, yeah, no. Thank you for saying all that, and even what I say is I'm an open book when it comes to all of this and the facts of it all, and I'm really in this space to help people feel seen, feel heard, and in an open book like this, it's my job to understand and hear people, and so I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, but come to me with facts and opinions. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's just things that I want from people, and I'm more than happy to have conversations with people as well. The other day, when I posted that there were literally people writing me asking me can we schedule calls, there were literally people writing me asking me can we schedule calls? And these are people that I was like, oh sure, I would love to. Yeah, and so I know that I'm loud at times, but the haters are watching and they're and.
Speaker 2:And they're, they see it, they feel it. So, and then when it comes in terms of there is going to be a next year, Mm-hmm. And I can't give too much on that now, but there's, there's some big things in the works that's going to make people Fucking lose their fucking mind. Yeah, and I can't wait. Wait, I can't talk about it yet, but there's, there's something happening that's I feel like I know what it is.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna say it I'm so excited. Um, okay, for everybody listening, where can they find you if they don't already follow you, zach, and where can they get more information about what you do?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you can find me on my Instagram at Z-A-X, underscore F-I-T. That's Zach's Fit. You can also go to my website. It's Zach's Fit Z-A-X-F-I-Tcom. It's very basic with my website. That's just where I'm at. Nothing's really curated for me. I'm trying to learn how to do all that shit, but I'm also just learning. I'm out here just being myself and people are connecting with how basic I run things. Yeah. And then, if I really like you, I will give you my phone number.
Speaker 1:And Hannah has my because I like her and Hannah has my shirts because I like her so I'll always have a glass of Prosecco waiting for you whenever we meet and maybe one day pop bottles. So thank you again so much for for taking the time. Zach, for everybody else listening, you know, leave us a good rating and review. If you enjoyed this conversation, you can find me at Hannah Rose Spin, sign up for my email list, get playlists, all the free guides, all that sort of stuff, and make sure you follow Zach, because he shares a wealth of information, especially on his stories. So thanks so much again, zach, for being on the yes you Can podcast and everybody else. We'll see you soon.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
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